July 22 game chat

Dodgers at Blue Jays, 4:07 p.m.

Dodger Thoughts, December 10, 2011:

Major League Baseball doesn’t rewrite history, so there’s no changing the fact that Milwaukee outfielder Ryan Braun is the 2011 National League Most Valuable Player and not Matt Kemp. However, Braun’s trophy might be getting a little less gleamy.

Braun is currently challenging a positive test for a performance-enhancing drug, report Mark Fainaru-Wada and T.J. Quinn of ESPN.com.

If the finding is upheld, Braun won’t have to give back his trophy, but he will have to give away 50 games of the 2012 baseball season to a suspension.

My opinion: A positive drug test doesn’t make Braun’s 2011 season less valuable.  He still did what he did. It does call into question how he achieved that value and open the door for you and me to judge him how we will. But my view of history is that it chronicles what happened, for better or worse. History isn’t what we’d like things to be – it’s what was, like it or not.

Whenever I consider baseball’s long, plentiful history of misbehavior, I’ve never been in favor of bringing an eraser to the record books, and I’m not going to start now. If Braun is guilty, his punishment will be his suspension and his tainted reputation. I’m not excusing his behavior. I’m just not pretending that he didn’t deliver on the field, illicitly or not.

The fact that my MVP vote would have been for Kemp regardless is a separate issue.

  • Anonymous

    I am glad that Braun is finally being held accountable for his actions. I also do not think the MVP trophy should be returned. Kemp knows he was the real MVP and so do we.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Go Blue!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Have the Dodgers formally thanked the Yankees for removing Luis Cruz from the system?

  • Anonymous

    Shame that Kemp’s incredible 2011 season didn’t earn him that MVP. With his body now in full break down mode, he won’t even sniff that kind of season ever again. At least he’d have some awards to look back to. Oh well.

    • Anonymous

      He’ll always have $200 mil to look back on…

  • Anonymous

    Gold hand?

  • Anonymous

    Knowing what he knew, I think that Braun would have been wiser not to say anything all along. Simply refused comment. He is now a liar in addition to being a cheater.

    • Anonymous

      Totally agree, scooplew. I can understand using peds. They could mean the difference between tons of money and adulation or a failed career. Hell, guys Braun’s age who work out at my gym use HGH just to pull chicks. I just wish once a player is caught, he would just admit it. Earn a lot more respect that way than vehemently denying it until it’s irrefutable.

      • Anonymous

        I suppose he felt he was going to get away with it. Forever. And he likely knows others who used PEDs and haven’t been detected.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Let’s go Hanley

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    DRE!!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    AJ!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Go AJ! I am crazy about that guy.

  • Anonymous

    Nice Jack, AJ!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Way to get on Juanito

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    MEllis!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    CC!!

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    I’m just now noticing Crawford’s neck tattoo.

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      you been really busy the past year we forgive you Jon

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    PUIG!

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    Puig hits a humble RBI single :)

    • Anonymous

      Take it after his last few games!

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      we’ll take it

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    way to get on Gonzo!

  • Anonymous

    I like owning the second inning.

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      it’s becoming a habit

  • Anonymous

    C’mon, Hanley — reruns are good!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Not again Hanley

  • Anonymous

    No eyes right now. What is the injury?

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      foul ball off the back of the knee then a foul ball off the same leg but lower

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    DP Time

  • Anonymous

    I have an avatar! (Me and my Casey Blake bobble head…) Meanwhile, the Boys in Blue put up some runs. Go Dodgers.

    • Anonymous

      Shake ‘n Blake!

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      good to see you’ve come over to the dark side and finally got an avatar…and a good one at that

      • Anonymous

        Took me a while to work up the courage. Thanks. I feel less anonymous, for sure!

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    Sweet backhand by Hanley to end the inning.

    • Anonymous

      He has really improved defensively. Nice to see.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    DRE!!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    AJ!!

  • Anonymous

    Wow. After a slow first inning, we be on fire!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    way to “steal” second AJ

  • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

    My goodness, what a nice surprise to find after getting home from the bookstore run. 5-0 so far.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Nice catchers interference

  • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

    As well as he hits, I wonder what Ryu thinks of the DH rule. For that matter, I imagine neither Kershaw nor Greinke like it much either.

  • Anonymous

    B-Jays announcers are all I can get. They aren’t that bad homers, but I had to laugh as they tried to line up Dodgers for shots and each hit it down their throat before the set-up was complete.

    • Anonymous

      Ethier and CC specifically!

      • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

        I’m listening to them and charlie and rick

  • Anonymous

    By the -jays announcers critical comments–one would assume the Jays had the lead.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    CC!

  • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

    If Gameday’s right that was three straight changeups to Puig and he swung and missed at all three. Son, a little time and patience is a good thing.

    • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

      He looked better in his previous at-bat. In this one, he swung wildly at three balls.

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      yes his at bat was terrible

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    CC!!

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    Crawford hit the wall hard on that catch but seems ok.

  • Anonymous

    Woah, I think someone is going to have to help Puig adjust to ML pitching. But I fully believe his defense and other attributes is going to justify keeping him here.

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    Almost, Hanley.

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      exactly what I just typed

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    Maybe Puig just throws so hard that the catcher is his cutoff man.

  • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

    C’mon, Ryu, settle down and throw strikes. So saith Honeycutt.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    inning over

  • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

    See? Go back to the fastball.

  • Anonymous

    I’m not quite sure why a team with the Dodger’s payroll has to have a guy like Schu—who can maybe play both infield and outfield

    • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

      I don’t understand the comment.

      • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

        i missed it also

        • Anonymous

          imo, maybe=’t, both=either, and and=or in the post that started this. Hope this is clear.

    • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

      Having the highest-paid team in baseball doesn’t mean you won’t have role players. The ’98 Yankees for example, who won 114 games and had a payroll to match, gave their third-most at-bats off the bench to utility man Luis Sojo and his .515 OPS.

    • Anonymous

      It’s a good thing, no? Being able to play in various positions.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Time to get those runs back

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    HANLEY!!

  • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

    A-Gon went from 1st to 3rd on a single to left? Will wonders never cease?

    • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

      It was a hit off the wall. Should have been a double but Hanley hit it too hard.

      • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

        Ah. Thanks, I was puzzled.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Hanley turn that long single into a double

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    AJ!

  • Anonymous

    Oui! do we really want an almost perfect test of the Dodger’s Bull-pen—–Well here it comes!!!
    But I am wrong if Ryu stays in.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Nice DP

    • Anonymous

      Great, I say!

  • Anonymous

    Great DP!

  • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

    One more inning for the win, Ryu.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    MELLIS!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Nice we’ll take it

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    As one-sided as this game has been, it doesn’t really feel in hand. We’re due for a road bullpen meltdown. I’m being partly paranoid, but law of averages …

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      agree got the same feelings…need more runs

  • foul tip

    You guys who see games regularly….is this typical of Ryu’s starts lately? IIRC, he hasn’t exactly dominated in a while.

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      I think he’s been hit or miss…he has been good lately

  • Anonymous

    I guess it feels fairly typical of Ryu. I guess he doesn’t always seem to dominate. But he is solid. If he is a bit better than the opposing pitcher, it seems like he will be better for 9 innings, or even twelve!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Dre!! Hanley’s grimacing while running

  • foul tip

    What’s the blue tube-looking thing on Hanley’s right arm? Noticed it one of the few other times I’ve seen the team.

    • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

      One of these?

      • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

        no

      • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

        It covers his hand and wrist extending past his fingers

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      to protect his hand when sliding

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Shoe!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Juanito

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Mellis!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    CC!!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Hitting is contagious…get infected Puig

  • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

    Okay, how about this to protect the hands.

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      a lot like that but I think it’s special made because it extends a good 5-6 inches past the finger tips and the thumb is enclosed inside

      • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

        You mean it flops loosely? Huh. Okay, I give up. ;)

        • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

          no tightly wrapped but like he stuck his hand in a tube

          • foul tip

            or kind of a plastic removable cast?

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      I’ll try to get you a screen capture of it

      • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

        Plug the pic into here: http://www.google.com/imghp

        • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

          after the game I’ll have to go back and see if I can find a pic

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    There was the four-run outburst that could have tied the game – good thing it was for the Dodgers!

  • Anonymous

    Just tuned in. Wow, if this is a dream, I hope it never ends!

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      sweep the Jays

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Nice Ryu

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    why didn’t he go to third on that one

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Nice play Juan

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    AJ!!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Domiguez is walking gingerly

    • Anonymous

      At least he is walking. With our injuries, I think just owning the edges is winning us the lead!!!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Hanley!!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    AJ!!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    SHOE!!!!

  • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

    Okay, this is getting to be unbelievable.

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      sweep the Jays

    • Anonymous

      That is the exact word that came to mind.

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      now two of our pitchers have HR’s

  • Anonymous

    These annoucers (whoever they are for) seem like they are the reason it is 14-4. Please—it is only the seventh inning. Do something different. These guys could make this feel like forever.

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    Let Schumaker close this! Three-run HR and three-inning save!

  • Anonymous

    This game is free at mlb.com if that info helps any of you.

    • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

      Not if you’re subject to blackout restrictions for every West Coast team including the Dodgers. But thanks for trying.

      • foul tip

        Makes absolutely perfect sense for someone in Hawaii not to be able to see an away game in Toronto, Canada, doesn’t it? The system is what should be blacked out.

        • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

          Couldn’t see yesterday’s game on TBS either. It’s infuriating but it’s pretty hopeless to get MLB to rethink its policy. Look how much trouble the As are having getting a stadium in San Jose.

  • Anonymous

    Delabar won the AL vote to be the last player on ASG roster.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Eric Stephen ‏@truebluela6m
    To be fair, given the exchange rate, this is only like 9 runs tonight

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Eric Stephen ‏@truebluela1m
    Nice pull RT @JALaymance: The #dodgers have 14 runs tonight, or, more than they’ve totaled in 22 series

  • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

    Jeepers. Look at the line score. Three 4-run innings!

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Puig gets on again

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    Last time #dodgers allowed at least 10 hits and won by at least 10 runs was 9/19/09 baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN2… Has happened 4 times since ’95.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    Hanley drills the ball but caught

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    PUIG!!!!

    • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

      Great catch, or ??

      • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

        long running catch as he crashes into the RCF wall

        • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

          ran about 140 ft and jumped at the last minute

          • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

            Stay offa the walls, kid!

        • Anonymous

          Bounces off and tries to double the guy off first!

  • foul tip

    That shot of Puig reveals his secret. He munches on gold necklaces while in the outfield…

    • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

      And his recent slump was because somebody turned that gold into Kryptonite!

  • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

    Puig’s catch and throw is on Gameday’s video. Wow.

    • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

      did we describe it right?

      • http://www.linkmeister.com/wordpress/ Linkmeister

        Yep. Y’all done good.

    • Anonymous

      He came out of nowhere. It was a crazy play.

  • Anonymous

    A League lead, but he must be tuckered out.

  • Anonymous

    and on that one he bounces of Skippy.

  • foul tip

    If Puig had just a few more steps momentum there, however much was left of Schu would be yet another Dodger on the DL.

  • https://www.facebook.com/kmt59 KT

    BALL GAME!!!!!

    4 games over .500

    21-5 since Puig signed my jersey

    tied for 1st

    4 game winning streak!!!!

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    NPUT