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June 9 game chat

Braves at Dodgers, 1:10 p.m.

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  1. KT

    Todays Lineup:
    Puig RF
    Punto SS
    Gonzalez 1B
    Van Slyke LF
    Cruz 3B
    Schumaker CF
    Federowicz C
    M.Ellis 2B
    Magill P

    • Anonymous

      any comments from Mattingly on why Cruz over Uribe? I know Cruz is 2 for 3 with a HR against
      Minor.
      .
      Unless Puig is going to try to steal, seems like he should have at least switched with Punto.

      • Anonymous

        Schumacher, Punto, Puig, Agon, SVS, FedeX, Cruz (better yet Uribe), Ellis

        • Anonymous

          can’t agree; Minor is too tough on lefties

      • Anonymous

        It’s baffling. Seems like he’s been playing Cruz every game over Uribe, generally, for the last week or so. I think Cruz is getting a final chance to prove he belongs before he gets shipped out once Kemp and Crawford come off the DL.

  2. KT

    turn two guys

  3. KT

    doesn’t get that call because he’s been wild

  4. Even Vin is amazed that Cruz is batting fifth.

    • Anonymous

      missed it what did he say please

      • He just made a comment of how a guy hitting .136 with 1 home run and 6 RBI is hitting fifth. He’s too classy to say anything disparaging, but he seemed a bit amazed.

  5. KT

    Puig!!

  6. Anonymous

    From BP: “It took until 1941 for a disabled
    list similar to the one we have now to be instituted. Initially, only
    two players could be on the disabled list at the same time, and they had
    to spend at least 60 days on it. Teams were also restricted because
    they could not place anyone on the disabled list after August 1.

    In 1950, the amount of time players had to spend on the DL was reduced
    to 30 days, which meant that the list was used more often. The length of
    a trip to the DL has constantly evolved; there have been 10-, 15-, 21-,
    30-, and 60-day versions. To make the varied lengths of disabled lists
    even more confusing, the 30-day and 60-day versions were sometimes
    called the emergency lists because of the severity of the injuries.
    Prior to August 1990, teams were only allowed to have two players,
    including only one pitcher, on the 15-day disabled list, three on the
    21-day DL, and one on the 30-day DL.**

    The 15-day disabled list first appeared in 1966. In 1984, the 10-day
    disabled list was permanently dropped. In 1990, the 21-day disabled list
    was dropped and the 60-day disabled list was added in place of the
    30-day version. The limits to the number of players on the disabled list
    were removed, but a few conditions needed to be met: the injury had to
    be certified by a team physician and a Standard Form of Diagnosis had to
    be submitted to the league.”

  7. KT

    Great Bunt!!

  8. Anonymous

    just woke up, good to see Puig was fit to play

  9. Ok Luis prove us wrong.

  10. KT

    Come on walk

  11. We’ll take it!

  12. KT

    SKIPPY!!

  13. Anonymous

    Bad – could/should have been more, Good – Minor has racked up 31 pitches already

  14. Anonymous

    that’s better, more strikeouts, less walks

  15. Adam Luther

    What’s our record on this home stand?

  16. Anonymous

    Move him over Matt

  17. KT

    worked anyway…watch for the IBB

  18. Anonymous

    He got there anyway!

  19. KT

    Good play by Freeman to rob Punto of an extra base hit and rbi

  20. KT

    need two here

  21. KT

    STOP SIGN!!

  22. Adam Luther

    Wow – “respect the arm” and that’s why Mattingly has to keep Puig in RF.

    • Anonymous

      a great arm is very useful in CF as well

  23. That error really hurt.

  24. Adam Luther

    Should have been out of the inning!

  25. Adam Luther

    Ugg.

  26. KT

    Damn Gonzo

  27. Anonymous

    Ouch

  28. Anonymous

    Ugh-la…

    • Adam Luther

      That was a veteran welcoming the rookie to MLB. He knew he’d been struggling with his pitches and he should have been out of the inning all runs unearned.

  29. Unearned runs or not, young Mr. Magill’s lack of control isn’t helping him. I suspect he needs more seasoning in the minors.

    • Magill’s struggles today are exactly why that error hurt so much. He needs all the help he can get from the defense.

  30. Anonymous

    Impressive defense by the Braves.

  31. foul tip

    Just now was able to check in, via Braves telecast. They point out that the Dodgers have more payroll on the DL than the entire payroll of 14 other MLB teams.

    That certainly doesn’t excuse everything about this bust of a season thus far, but as also pointed out on their telecast, if the Dodgers got everybody back 7 or 7/12 games could be made up quick. (Course, everybody won’t be back.)

    That assumes, of course, the bullpen doesn’t implode, the team can begin to hit with RISP, and the team doesn’t keep fielding like (insert apt comparison here if you feel so inclined). And if the starting pitching keeps doing the job most of the time.

    • Anonymous

      Is that all :) So we are a chance then!

  32. foul tip

    Not that it’ll be a deciding factor today, but I share the bafflement @ Cruz hitting 5th. I share the bafflement Cruz is starting over Uribe, a clearly better option at this point. And if management above the Mattingly level doesn’t share this bafflement, I’d be further baffled.

    Just color me baffled.

  33. It’s fun not having a center fielder.

  34. KT

    rewound and couldn’t tell if it hit the railing behind

  35. Anonymous

    Vinny says Kemp, too, has had a set-back. File that under, “What else is new?”

  36. Anonymous

    If we said 2-2 for the series at the start, we would have taken it, if we said 2-2 after we won the first 2 games, we would have been disappointed

    • Anonymous

      As we are.
      More than just the record, it’s the fact that the offense has again disappeared.
      And the injury news keeps getting worse.

      • Anonymous

        Yes, i know we have had bullpen problems, but I think no offense and injuries sum up our season so far

  37. KT

    could have used that one with the bases loaded

  38. Anonymous

    I hate to say it, but……
    ….

    I really have a hard time envisioning this club ever really getting any ‘traction’ and putting together any time of real ‘run’ towards the playoffs if they have to keep trotting a pitcher out there every other day who really shouldn’t be in the major leagues… and, if their lineup is consistently this riddled with utility / backup players.
    ….
    bummer! :-/

    • Anonymous

      Agreed — but I substitute making a run towards the playoffs with just reaching .500.

      When I checked in today, it was terrible to see Magill gave up soo many runs . . . but worse is this lack of offense.

      Still worse is the injury news about Hanley, Matt, and Andre . . . so unless Puig can be cloned incredibly fast, there’s no encouraging news for this anemic offense, which puts more pressure on the starting pitchers, much less the bullpen.

      :(

      • What’s really annoying is that the Yankees have had about the same run of injuries and population of the DL, they’re still down Jeter and A-Rod, and yet they’re fighting for first place. So we see articles wondering “how come the Yankees and their payroll can do it while the Dodgers with a similar payroll can not?”

        • Anonymous

          Hey, I wish we could simply rely on the notion of…
          “Where there’s a will, … there’s a way.”
          ….
          However, if you watch pro sports long enough, you get a bit jaded, I suppose.
          “Too far back in the standings” is 99% of the time, exactly that, as things turn out.
          ….
          I’m just trying to come to grips with the fact that….
          Unless some totally unforeseen, dramatic miracle comes to pass….

          That this 2013 edition of the Dodgers will be nothing more than what we’ve seen over the last few seasons….
          ….
          ‘Lots of preseason anticipation, followed by six months of a handful of memorable, exciting Dodger moments carried out by a skeleton crew of players, adding up to mediocrity in the standings… and all graciously, and beautifully narrated by the one and only, Vin Scully.”

      • Anonymous

        Yes, Bob…. I agree.
        ….
        Funny thing…. doesn’t this seem to be the story of just about every year (especially with the pitching) for the last 3 or 4 seasons? (See below)
        …..

        Spring Training —> Season Start —> Dodgers’ fight uphill battle —> Mediocre
        (lots of injuries)

        “We’ll get ’em next year” quote seems to start earlier and earlier.
        ….
        This is getting old.

  39. KT

    I must be a gluten for punishment…I just bought tickets to the 6/22 game here in SD…I think Kershaw is pitching

    • Anonymous

      said to myself gluten is not the right spelling but what is?
      glutton – Comes from Latin glutire, “to swallow.”

  40. KT

    good catch SVS

  41. KT

    Puig 3-5

  42. KT

    Puig update .464/.483/.964

  43. KT

    Good afternoon all

  44. Anonymous

    My head tells me to accept that this year is not our year, again. My heart continues to whisper, “But, but, but…”

  45. Anonymous

    Dodgers farm team the Loons has had trouble scoring all season averaging less than 4 runs per game 15th out of 16 in scoring. They went 4-21 in one stretch. Recently after going 0-7 (not part of the 4-21) they are 4-0 by a total score of 40-6.

  46. Anonymous

    The current Dodger owners have far more tolerance than I. I would most definitely fire Mattingly, Colletti, and the medical staff. It is a certainty that all three have contributed to the massive failure we’ve had this year. Some player personnel changes are in order too. Or are they shooting for a high draft pick next year????

    • Anonymous

      I also want to put in a request for new Dodger baseball gods…

    • Anonymous

      I hate to defend Colletti but why didn’t you tell us this year would be a massive failure in April?
      You should have contacted ownership to tell them their marketing slogan would soon be taken ironically.

  47. Anonymous

    On the post game show, I could have sworn that I heard a guy refer to, among other things, “fake DL assignments” as one of the frustrations of this early season….. (I could have heard wrong, so I”m putting that out there, but I could have sworn that’s what I heard) …. as he asserted that these players are, in effect, ‘holding the organization hostage.’
    ….
    My points are these…..
    …..
    1. When I criticized the medical staff on this blog, I received some snarky comments. After all, nobody likes a ‘conspiracy theorist’…. right?

    2. We’ve had all kinds of scandals in this game over the years: steriods, gambling, etc…..
    Why not a new one to throw out there? (as Ron Burgundy might say) …

    Players–> some ‘guaranteed’ contract $ to medical staff–> Authorized DL (paid vactation) time!
    ….
    This time allows them to enjoy life on the company dime, after all, look how many times they had to ‘sell out’ in order to get that money in the first place…..and, it also extends their career as it lowers the rate at which that arm or those legs acrue mileage. It’s the MLB answer to a ‘guaranteed higher degree of career longevity’ ….

    :-)
    I’ll stop to avoid a rule #8 violation, as I’ve made this point in a few other ways in the past.

    Sorry Jon.

    • Anonymous

      PS – Read up on the MLB players pension plan, if you have any questions on their potential motivation…..

    • Anonymous

      I would enjoy your posts more if there was even more white space and fewer letters.
      btw you have never accused anyone of committing a crime before that I remember and I think I would remember that.

      • Anonymous

        I’ll …………..see…………what ………….I ………….can……………do,…………Mike!
        :-)

        • Anonymous

          BetteryetI’llseewhatIcandomike!:-)sorry,justmessin’withya.

    • Anonymous

      I think I remember like Mike that your previous posts on the medical staff seemed to question their competence as a reason for the myriad of injuries, whereas this post suggests a crime is being committed. Now, there is a notion that GM’s try to use the DL option somewhat freely in order to facilitate roster moves, but what you are suggesting is that the players and medical staff are putting one over on the organization. We don’t have access to the evidence as it were, but looking at the DL list are there some that you feel might fit into your new theory?

      • Anonymous

        Perhaps… but, I was just taking what I thought I heard from the guy on Dodger Talk and kind of expounding upon that notion…. So, the origin of my thought isn’t that ‘organic.’
        I just found it interesting how he used the phrase, “holding the team hostage”….

        On a side note: When I was getting out of bed this morning, and I walked down the hall by the office…. I looked at the computer, and asked myself, “What the heck was that I typed last night?” – If Ned and management feel the players are being less than truthful with them, then it’s up to them to handle it. Not for me to ‘pop off’ about it.

        So, just consider it something I ‘floated’ out there, but am not willing to ‘die on my sword’ for it. :-)

        • Anonymous

          BTW – I knew a guy who was a bat boy for the Angels in college, and he said that all kinds of money floats between the players and the ancillary staff.

          For instance, the players would frequently give him cash for running errands for them, getting chicks’ numbers (chicks in the stands), arranging for meals, movies, entertainment, etc.

          • Anonymous

            as if this has any connection to your slanderous accusations of bribery and taking salary but not doing the job due to being bribed; both felonies

        • Anonymous

          Agree, “holding the team hostage” is a strange turn of phrase.

        • Anonymous

          I have no doubt that Ned is being just as “truthful” with the players.

  48. Anonymous

    The 1963 World Series replica ring is a lot heftier than I would have imagined. I was expecting a fairly cheap plastic piece of crap.

  49. KT

    Los Angeles Dodgers ‏@Dodgers 35m

    Yasiel Puig has been named the National League Player of the Week! pic.twitter.com/gLjLklVhDw

    Who else was even close

  50. foul tip

    To paraphrase a certain well known pro football writer, 2 things I think I think after Sunday–

    1) If what AJ Ellis and maybe Mattingly and others have said about Magill’s makeup is accurate, he’ll be back, tho likely not soon. The Braves didn’t exactly tatoo him early. Braves’ broadcasters described him as “effectively wild” then. Of course, why swing when the opposing pitcher is issuing plenty of get out of the batter’s box and take first free passes? (How’s that for a long-winded way to say “walks”?) Anyway, based on what I’ve seen and ST he has a live arm, along with absolutely no idea where the ball is going. In yesterday’s game story he said he was missing by feet, not inches.

    2) Also from Braves broadcasters….talk about Puig liking the ball away because he likes to dive into pitches, implying that pitchers may start working him more inside. Guess we’ll see. But good luck to any pitcher who aims inside and misses over the plate. He’s likely to be asking for a new ball.

  51. Anonymous

    I think we’re going to see more of Dee Gordon this year. Apparently the club is expanding his defensive parameters, both infield and outfield. I know some of you have said if he can’t hit enough to play at short, he can’t play anywhere. Well, I suppose he could pitch… Your contentions are valid as an everyday player but is that true if you compare him to a versatile bench player like Hairston or Punto or Schumacher? What are their averages likely to be at the end of the season? That would seem to be the standard he has to meet.

    • Anonymous

      The standard he would have to meet is Justin Sellers, who was recalled today. I’m not sure he’s going to set the world on fire either. I can’t see why either would be in the Dodgers’ long-term plans.

  52. KT

    Dodgers lineup:

    Punto SS

    Ellis 2B

    Gonzalez 1B

    Puig RF

    Hairston LF

    Ethier CF

    Uribe 3B

    Federowicz C

    Kershaw P

    • Anonymous

      Lethal! (or about as close as we get to it these days).

      • Anonymous

        Think I would prefer Puig third, Agon fourth.

        • Anonymous

          Sure, but takes a big swing to get him home, no?

    • Anonymous

      Seriously, Kershaw hitting 8th? He’s got better numbers than Fedex or Ethier at this point.

  53. Anonymous

    Does anybody know what Kemp is doing while on the DL?

    Watching video, hitting off a tee, hitting to right field, etc.

  54. Sellers being called up and Hanley being left out of the line up again are not good signs. Looks like Hanley could have himself another DL stint on the horizon.

    • Anonymous

      Might have preferred another catcher, but the Isotopes are down to two themselves!

    • Now they’re saying Hanely won’t go to DL but will miss another 4 or 5 days. I hope he’s actually ready then.

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