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Deconstructing the departure of Don Mattingly

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Andrew Friedman at the televised press conference discussing Don Mattingly’s exit.

Don Mattingly and Andrew Friedman chat at an October 7 workout. (Jon SooHoo/Los Angeles Dodgers)

Don Mattingly and Andrew Friedman chat at an October 7 workout. (Jon SooHoo/Los Angeles Dodgers)

By Jon Weisman

This would have been a good day to own stock in the word “mutual.”

Dodger president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman and general manager Farhan Zaidi — along with outgoing manager Don Mattingly — fought an uphill battle before a skeptical press corps this afternoon to emphasize that the decision for Mattingly to leave the Dodgers was a shared one.

“If there was a reason that this happened, we would share it,” Friedman said during a 45-minute session for him and Zaidi at Dodger Stadium. “There’s not. It was a collection of a lot of different conversations over many days that got us to this point. So it’s not so black and white here. There is a huge middle, and it’s gray, and that’s how everything played out.”

Friedman said that when the front office began its discussions with Mattingly following the Dodgers’ exit from the 2015 playoffs, “we expected him to be our manager in 2016,” and that the discussion even extended to years beyond that. But before it got to the point of a formal contract offer, there was a realization from both sides might welcome a new beginning and a parting of the ways.

“It was amicable. It was mutual,” Friedman said. “It was kind of organic. … I appreciate the unusualness of this and how it sounds, but as much as you guys ask questions from different angles to us, to Donnie, it really is how it played out.”

Said Zaidi: “Frankly, I’ve had my own level of cynicism when you hear about people mutually parting ways, but we can sit up here with all sincerity and say that’s how it came about.”

The intricacies of how they came to that point weren’t explicated, but speaking on a conference call with reporters later in the day, Mattingly joined in the chorus.

“It was definitely a mutual decision,” Mattingly said. “As we kind of talked through the season and all different things, it just came clear that this was the right time for this. I think it was best for me and best for the club.

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One of the areas that reporters pressed Friedman and Zaidi about was how much influence the front office had on day-to-day decisions. They emphasized, as they have before, it was a collaborative process.

“From our standpoint, that working relationship was really strong,” Friedman said.

But that didn’t mean Mattingly didn’t have the ability to make his own lineup decisions.

“Sometimes he would text us, ‘Hey — thinking this (about the lineup) — any thoughts?’ ” Friedman added, “because we had a fresher perspective. Just like in the winter, we would talk to him and say ‘Hey, we’re considering this trade — what do you think?’ He was part of the management team of this organization, and we had that back and forth.

“We want healthy disagreement. And there were plenty of times where we disagreed with Donnie and Donnie disagreed with us, but to me, that’s a good thing.”

As he has since last winter, Mattingly said he welcomed the input of Friedman, Zaidi and senior vice president of baseball operations Josh Byrnes, as well as the organization’s new levels of analytics, rather than finding them a burden.

“I just look at it as collaboration and us working together,” Mattingly said. “It’s similar to every year that I’ve managed, just better information this year. … Information is good, discussion is good, debating things back and forth is good. At the end of your day, you put your lineup out there.

“I felt very comfortable with Andrew and Josh and Farhan – I loved the information they were able to get. It was really a learning situation for me, (and) I really enjoyed that part of it. I just felt like as we kept talking … it just became something that was best for me and best for the club.

Mattingly made a point of saying he felt he would be friends with Friedman, Zaidi and Byrnes “forever.”

“Andrew, Farhan and Josh are great guys,” Mattingly said, “and they’re going to do great things – I really believe that.”

Friedman said the Dodgers began the process for hiring a new manager Wednesday, adding that they definitely intend to have one in place by the Winter Meetings in early December — “and sooner would be great.” He added that he expected the pool of candidates would include people with and without previous managerial experience.

The makeup of the coaching staff will depend on the new manager. Right now, no changes have been made with any coaches, but they have been told they can pursue other jobs.

In the end, there was never a feeling among Dodger leadership that all the responsibility for the Dodgers’ falling short of the World Series title fell on Mattingly.

“We had a regular-season goal which we succeeded in and a postseason goal which we did not succeed in,” Friedman said. “We all share in that blame.”

And they have a full understanding about how important the coming offseason is.

“The pressure comes from having expectations,”Friedman said, “and we wouldn’t want to work in a situation where there weren’t those expectations. The passion our fans have is tremendous. As semi-stewards of that, we put a lot of pressure on ourselves to make as good of a hire as we possibly can. We want to for obvious reasons, to give our team the best chance to win a championship, not just next year but to be able to sustain it for many years to come.”


Dodgers, Don Mattingly part ways


The chase


  1. AJ Ellis should seriously be considered. He could be the Dodgers manager for the next 20-25 years… They made a mistake when Mike Scoscia wasn’t wasn’t offered a chance…. Don’t make the same mistake AGAIN!!!!!!!

  2. AJ Ellis is the perfect fit. He is a student of the game. I agree ,don’t let him slip away. Hire him and the clubhouse will be great. As will CK and Zach.

  3. greg maddux anyone?

  4. oldbrooklynfan

    I hope we can not expect these blowouts every time the Dodgers fail to go all the way.

  5. This is pretty weak. Mutual??? C’mon! Mattingly was terrible!

    I’m a life-long Dodger fan: second generation and my son is 3rd generation. I met Donnie when he first took the helm – and was fortunate to shake his hand in the Dodgers’ dugout before one game. I admired Donnie; he was, after all, the only Yankee I truly didn’t hate throughout his years in pinstripes. But I also I watched his decision-making nearly every game each season. He just wasn’t a good Manager.

    Donnie didn’t know how to pen a stable (let alone traditional) lineup. (I mean, Joc Pederson leading off for the majority of 2015? Are you kidding me???) Teams need consistency and his batting orders were anything but motivating.

    He didn’t know how to play small ball and, instead, kept waiting for the Earl Weaver-esque 3-run shot to win out. We led the NL in dingers in 2015, but when our bats went quiet in the postseason, he had no “magic” up his sleeve (pun intended). There were several classic squeeze opportunities in each of his three postseason series at the helm … and he called the play exactly zero times. An AL guy managing in the NL: not the right fit.

    Our base running was always bad during his tenure. Inserting Dee Gordon for Adrian Gonzalez in the 2013 NLCS was fine, but with the gun loaded he didn’t pull the trigger! The arrival of Ron Roenicke this season seemed to help as the Dodgers led the NL in stolen basis after he started throwing out the signs. But, unfortunately, this all but disappeared in the postseason.

    And then there was Donnie’s use of his bullpen: terrible. It was clear he lacked confidence in anyone other than Kenley Jansen. You could see this in April … so when October rolled around his lack of trust worsened.

    Same goes for our #3 and #4 starters in the rotation come October: Donnie had little confidence, which manifested itself in having to push Kershaw out each postseason on short rest. I don’t entirely blame this on Mattingly, however; our front office gave him the likes of Ricky Nolasco and Brett Anderson to work with. Friedman and Zaidi need to share in this, but the point is easy to make: our weak Manager could not overcome any roster-based chinks in our armor.

    If Donnie resigned, as this article suggests, then I am even more concerned about our front office. It’s very clear to me what we need moving forward. The Dodgers need a hard ass Manager. And, more importantly, they need a true Dodger.

    What is Mike Scioscia’s phone number?

    • oldbrooklynfan

      I can’t seem to understand how anyone can call someone a bad manager after he’s won 3 division titles in a row.

  6. jpavko

    Think out of the box, guys. Who has experience working with Andrew Friedman in the past, dealing with highly paid players? Lou Piniella!

  7. jpavko

    Bud Black?

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