More Dodger prospect rankings

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We saw Dodger prospect rankings from Kevin Goldstein at Baseball Prospectus on Monday, and now here’s a list from Marc Hulet at Fangraphs today. Zach Lee, (above, via MLB.com) tops both lists. Comparing the top 15s:

Site BP Fangraphs
1 Lee Lee
2 Eovaldi Eovaldi
3 Webster Reed
4 Reed Webster
5 Gould Gould
6 Withrow Withrow
7 Silverio Silverio
8 Pederson Pederson
9 Castellanos Federowicz
10 Sanchez Lindblom
11 Tolleson Santana
12 Baldwin Tolleson
13 Federowicz Baldwin
14 Martin De Jesus
15 Lindblom Miller
  • Anonymous

    I know our farm system is weak, but where on the list is the cutoff for prospects projected as at least “big league regular”? 

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    Well, for starting pitchers, I’d say Lee is almost a lock, while everyone from Eovaldi to Withrow is “we’ll see how they do longterm.”

    For position players, we’ll be lucky if any of those guys are regulars.  Pederson, maybe, though he’s a ways away. Castellanos, it would help if he could convert back to second base (subject of a future blog post).

    • Anonymous

      Make him a catcher.

  • james jack

    thot Eovaldi did quite well last season as a starter & believe we’ll see him again in this role before the end of the season

    • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

      I agree. But he still has some stuff to prove as to whether he’ll be a permanent part of the rotation past this season. I’m certainly hopeful.

  • http://twitter.com/careyrobertson Carey Robertson

    What Santana is that at #11 on FG’s?

    • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

      You should click the link in the first paragraph, but it’s Alex.

      • http://twitter.com/careyrobertson Carey Robertson

        My fault. I didn’t know the gave a summary of the player. I thought it was just a straight list. Love the new site!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Pomerantz/3608376 Dave Pomerantz

    Interesting to see DeJesus on FG’s list, where they say “he should be a solid big league starter at second base.” That seems a little out of touch with everything else I’ve heard.

    • http://twitter.com/careyrobertson Carey Robertson

      If I’m not mistaken DeJesus had attitude/entitlement issues a few years back. That may be a stat that isn’t reflected on prospect lists, but is in the dugout.

    • http://twitter.com/Derek_TC Derek TC

      Perhaps because 2b is mostly a weak position? I don’t know.

    • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

      Seemed weird to me as well. 

    • http://underdog.typepad.com/ underdog

      Definitely out of date, or at least against the grain of how the Dodgers appear to view him. Heard he’s had attitude problems, etc, or hasn’t wanted to learn, something like that… given the dearth of solid infielders in the org lately that’s a real shame, for him and the Dodgers.

      • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

        Attitude aside, I’m just not sure the talent/skills have been there since the broken leg.

        • http://underdog.typepad.com/ underdog

          Yeah that’s what I wondered, too. Though it seemed like he was perfectly healthy last season, and was relatively productive in AAA. The whole thing seems odd and frustrating given he was once a highly rated prospect. 

          • Anonymous

            I would guess that earlier evaluations of him probably based much on raw talent and potential.  He broke his leg pretty badly.  While it has healed, it has likely to have diminished some of the flashiness and edge that we were struck with earlier.  I remember that ST before he got injuried and he looked pretty darn good, not Dee good, but good.

    • Anonymous

      If that were a current assessment of DeJesus, I would think he would rank much higher in a weak system. A solid big league starter sounds like  a great prospect to me.

  • http://underdog.typepad.com/ underdog

    From last thread, WBB: Chris Pettit you shouldn’t know anything about, so the joke works. Melissa Leo you should know something about so we’ll wait here while you go watch something she’s been in. ;) Like Homicide [scene with Ned Beatty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM8_E6gRP2Y

    • Anonymous

      As I replied in the previous thread, I did see Melquiades Estrada, but she just didn’t register the way Tommy Lee Jones and Levon Helm did.

      • Anonymous

        Loved that movie (and I remember her).

      • http://underdog.typepad.com/ underdog

        Yeah in that film, she was good though not quite the standout that she can be (in Frozen River and The Fighter, both Oscar nominated, though I thought she was a tad too hammy in the latter; or 21 Grams, or Homicide or Treme…)

        • JeffreyThomasIII

          Yes! Watch Tremé! Everybody should be watching that show.

    • Anonymous

      I watched the clip, and she still doesn’t ring a bell.

  • http://underdog.typepad.com/ underdog

    Btw, I like Eovaldi too, but #2 seems a bit high for him at least when you compare upsides. Although they haven’t done anything in the bigs yet, unlike Nate, Webster and Gould would seem to have a higher ceiling, from what I’ve seen and heard about their stuff.  At any rate, the org is clearly solid and deep with pitching, and still weak positionally. Hope that changes soon. (Some guys, like Silveiro, Van Slyke and Songco, for instance, could end up being surprises and maybe that will make it look better.)

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Pomerantz/3608376 Dave Pomerantz

      Seems like it might be a matter of personal preference. Eovaldi is more of a sure thing, which has to be worth something in the rankings too.

    • Anonymous

      I didn’t realize that Eovaldi hadn’t pitched above A-Ball until last year. To jump all the way to the Show, not bad and certainly a good sign if he can just get a little more seasoning in the minors, maybe he and Webster turn into a good 2-3 type guys and then get Lee as your 2 with Kershaw as 1, and then all Billingsley has to do is pitch like a 5. That has the potential to be a great rotation in a year or two!

      • http://underdog.typepad.com/ underdog

        And don’t forget Rubby! The future looks bright, pitching-wise at least. (Depending on how things crumble, cookie-wise.)

        And I’ll go out on a limb and say Billingsley will definitely pitch better than a 5. :)

        • Anonymous

          Wow how did I do that. One of those guys is gotta end up getting traded to get some bats

  • Anonymous

    Lindblom didn’t make the BP list.

    • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

      Fixed.  I was surprised that Lindblom was still classified as a prospect, given his service time.

      • http://twitter.com/DavidYoungTBLA David Young

        The various prospect rankings get a little squirrelly on this. Most claim they don’t use service time, so Lindblom is still a prospect then, but OTOH, the only reason Javy Guerra isn’t a rookie still is because of service time. Hard to argue that Guerra should still be considered a prospect though.

      • Anonymous

        I was surprised when I read that in BP also.  My other surprise was how low they see his ceiling.  Granted, he may never close, but he can be a solid 7th/8th inning guy in the way the Angels used to use Scott Shields.

  • Anonymous

    Love the new site.  Glad it is still here to enjoy.  How can you put someone who has already proven he can contribute at a high level in the majors, Lindblom, at #15?  Even if he is just a reliever, he has great potential, and has grown a lot over the past few years.  Would Jansen and Guerra be down on the list as well if they were still rookie eligible?  Our season, at least at the beginning, is riding on the shoulders of those three, so it seems odd for Lindblom to not be near the top.

    • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

      I think it has a lot to do with their long-term potential. Lindblom, people sort of know what he can be. But if you can become an everyday starter, that would place you higher.  Not saying I agree with both sets of rankings entirely, of course, but they’re basically about max potential.

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

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  • Anonymous

    I’ve made it over!

    • http://underdog.typepad.com/ underdog

      From Down Under, to boot! 

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

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    • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

      We have room for one more female player, and there may be spots open for other teams in the tournament.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Pomerantz/3608376 Dave Pomerantz

        There’s still a spot or two on the Mike Scioscia’s Tragic Illness team, which is going to be a far better team anyways. :)

    • Anonymous

      Good luck to you guys.  I assume the results, if not the box scores, will be posted here?

      • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

        You can just watch the games live on ESPNπ

  • Anonymous

    I had the pleasure of watching Griff Erickson play at Rancho Cucamonga before he was promoted to Double-A Chattanooga and believe that he has the talent to be an MLB catcher. He has good offensive power but still needs work on his defensive skills. He was invited to Big League camp for Spring Training and I’m looking forward to seeing how he does.

    • http://www.feelinkindablue.com/ Dustin Nosler

      Agreed. He’s easily the team’s best catching prospect.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7PNAFNXM7T73BGEJ4GML6UCTC4 scottF

    so many pitchers, where are the power hitters

  • http://www.dodgerthoughts.com/ Jon Weisman

    NPUT

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7PNAFNXM7T73BGEJ4GML6UCTC4 scottF

    can we trade some of these pitchers for power hitters?

  • Jon Truman

    Had a heck of a time signing in, but I like the new site Jon